Do You Have to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?

Inevitably, when discussing the Trinity and other opposing theologies, the question comes up, what must we believe to be saved? Ask Trinitarians and you will likely get various answers. Some at least sound like they believe a correct understanding and belief in the Trinity is necessary for salvation, while others think it is completely irrelevant, and of course everything in between. And of course, if you ask a non-Trinitarian who does profess to be a Christian, you will hear them often attack this belief that the Trinity is essential, since they don’t even think it’s true.

Among non-Trinitarians, you will find the same disagreement about whether their own theology is essential for salvation. So, on the one hand, you will see some say that everyone who claims belief in Jesus is a Christian, whether they are Trinitarian, Unitarian, Oneness, etc. Then, at the other end, you have those who say that the Trinity is an idolatrous doctrine of demons and anyone who believes it is damned, and anyone who rejects that particular group’s theology is certainly not saved.

As always, I believe we should turn to Scripture for the answer. It is an easy thing to accuse someone you disagree with that theirs is a doctrine of demons. It is another thing entirely to prove it.

Now, it is difficult to tackle this question without either assuming a lot of things or explaining so much that I end up writing a book on soteriology to answer a question about the Trinity. So, let’s assume some things about this hypothetical non-Trinitarian Christian, so you know where I’m coming from on this. I will assume:

  1. This person has heard the Gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
  2. This person has repented of his sins and put his faith in Jesus to save him from the wrath of God for his sins.
  3. This person does not rely in any way on his own works to save him, but leans entirely on the work of God in Christ to justify him before God.

Someone who wants to make sure his own theology of God is the only one that allows salvation will likely object to these items of belief being effective, since I haven’t defined what I mean by “Christ” and “God”, but since that is what I’m here discussing, I will get to it.

My belief is that, if someone believes the statements above and their theology is correct to a certain point, they are saved. The issue to discuss is what that point is.

Now, I am a Trinitarian, so I believe to be completely correct about God requires being a Trinitarian. I don’t believe one can have exhaustive knowledge of God, of course, since He is infinite, but we can at least be correct in the beliefs we have. That might be a whole study in itself. Now, the question is, how wrong can you be about God and still be saved?

For starters, one must believe God exists.

Hebrews 11:6

Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him.

Also, to cling to false gods while claiming to be a believer also prevents salvation.

2 Corinthians 6:15-16

And what agreement does Christ have with Beliar? Or what share does a believer have with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement does the temple of God have with idols? For we are the temple of the living God, just as God said,

“I will live in them and will walk about among them,
and I will be their God and they will be my people.”

So, atheism and pagan idolatry are out. This verse even seems to say that one can’t just add their idolatry to the faith and be saved. The assumed answer to all of these questions is “none, nothing, etc”. So if Christ can have no agreement with false gods, then we cannot just add Christ to false religion and think He will save us.

But this isn’t the main point of this article. The issue we are addressing is God and Christ. What about those who define God and Christ incorrectly? We get an allusion from Paul to the fact that He was concerned for the Corinthians because they would tolerate someone preaching “another Jesus”.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4

But I am afraid lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds may be led astray from the sincerity and the purity of devotion to Christ. For if the one who comes proclaims another Jesus whom we have not proclaimed, or you receive a different spirit which you did not receive, or a different gospel which you did not accept, you put up with it well enough!

This would not be a concern if it didn’t matter that you had a different Jesus. Now, the New Testament doesn’t have a theology checklist for salvation listed anywhere, but it is clear that we must have some things correct, theologically, in order to be saved. Not that there is some kind of theology test, but that our beliefs about God affect how we relate to Him, and sometimes, they affect that relationship in a way that is not forgivable. Atheism and idolatry are some clear examples of this.

Now, we don’t know exactly what sort of other Jesus Paul was talking about, but there are hints as to at least one possibility. Both Paul and John write concerning the proto-gnostics who were infiltrating the church, and are very clear that these are not believers. Paul’s sections on them deal mostly with their practices, and how they rob the Christian of his liberty, while John deals with their erroneous view of Christ. For John, the key issue is that they do not believe Jesus truly came “in the flesh”. This is because they believed Jesus just appeared to have flesh but it was an illusion. They believed Christ was one of their gnostic pantheon of deities, actually higher that Yahweh, who they saw as evil for having created the physical world. So, they didn’t believe Christ would pollute himself so as to be fully human. John said this belief was from the spirit of antichrist (2 John 1:7), and those who promote it are deceivers.

This makes it fairly clear that there are aspects of Christ you can get wrong and not be considered a believer, even if you are saying you believe in Christ.

On the other hand, the very fact that the New Testament authors write anything about Christ to the congregations they are writing to assumes that some there will need to know these things. The New Testament never condemns people for their ignorance about minor details about Christ. So, what counts as a major detail about Christ? Well, from what we’ve seen, denying His true humanity is a detail we must not get wrong.

What about His deity? First, let’s consider an earlier question we asked. How does our belief about Jesus affect our relationship to God? Without considering which is true, we already have three ideas on the table. The first was rejected by the apostles, that Jesus is divine only, but not human. That divinity was different from how Jews see the divinity of Yahweh, but was Jesus’ only nature for these early gnostics.

Now, even with that one out, there is still a variety of beliefs about Jesus concerning His nature out there. You have the Trinitarian view that Jesus is God, possessing the very same nature as the Father, while also possessing a complete human nature. Then, you have the Arian view, which sees Jesus as an exalted being higher than any other who was made before the universe, through whom God made all the universe. He became human, really just being human during that time, but then was restored to his former glory after the resurrection. Then there is the Oneness view that Jesus is just the same person as the Father, and so the “Son” actually didn’t exist until Jesus was born, followed by the existence of a man who was both God and man, much like the Trinitarian believes, who became just God again on some views of oneness theology, or remains the God-man on others. Finally, there is the Unitarian view of a human Jesus from beginning to end, that He did not preexist in any sense, and remains human today, but with great power that has been given to Him.

Now, I do believe each of these views is really a “different Jesus” from the rest. None of these views of Jesus is compatible with the others, and all of them differ at the level of the very nature of Jesus. Was He human? Deity? Both? Something in between? And logically, it matters greatly what we say about Jesus on the subject of His nature. It matters for our religious practice. For example, if Jesus is God, and we deny that, then whatever God we worship isn’t Jesus and we are denying worship to God when we deny it to Jesus. On the other hand, if He isn’t God, and we worship Him as if He is, then we are engaging in the same idolatry that was condemned in Scripture.

Now, that’s just a reasoned out way of looking at it, but I think there is Scripture that not only answers who Jesus is, but reinforces the fact that we must have Him right to be saved.

John 8:24

Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.

I don’t have time to dig into the “I am” statements of John in detail here, but will point out several things to make the case that these are claims to deity. First, the parallel statements in the Old Testament are those in Isaiah where Yahweh says “I am” over and over and John points to Jesus speaking the same way. Second, part of the way John does this is to record seven times when Jesus says “I am” with a predicate, as in “I am the true vine”, and also seven times when He says it without a predicate, as when he says “before Abraham was, I am”. The sevens are a frequent motif in John’s Gospel, and so it is not coincidental that this happens with “I am”. This removes any argument that “I am” is just an unimportant phrase in John. Because of the connections to Yahweh, it is apparent that when Jesus says you must believe that “I am” to avoid dying in your sins, deity is part of what is meant here.

John 5:22-23

 For the Father does not judge anyone, but he has given all judgment to the Son, 23 in order that all people will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

A couple of things here. First, the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, but the Scriptures are clear that Yahweh will judge, making Jesus Yahweh. This judgment is given to the Son specifically so that everyone “will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father,” which, again, proves Jesus is God, since that is the only way to honor Him just as the Father, but then notice the last phrase, that, in this context, of honoring the Father and Son the same, the one who does not do this does not honor the Father. I simply ask, does someone who does not honor the Father have any grounds for believing himself to be saved?

So, there is evidence from Scripture that belief in the deity of Christ is part of what it means to believe in Him and be saved. Beyond this, it is less clear how accurate we must be about the Trinity. As I have said elsewhere, the Trinity is a collection of teachings found in Scripture that we just put together under one word. The question of how many of those teachings we must believe to be saved is one that I don’t think the Scriptures are perfectly clear on. And certainly, I don’t believe that one must subscribe to a certain explanation of those teachings to be saved. As I’ve said, there is no theological test to enter the kingdom that includes explaining the Trinity.

So, I think the barest minimum I believe I can say for sure is that one must believe God exists, and that Christ is both God and human to be saved. I would add to this that, because perfect theology is not ever a requirement for salvation, these requirements factor in both progressive revelation and progressive enlightenment in the life of the believer. So of course, it was not a requirement to believe Jesus is God for the Jews before Jesus came. That hadn’t been revealed. Also, when a person becomes a believer, there is still growth and learning going on for the life of the believer, and it may be that someone hears the simple story of Jesus and puts their faith in Him, without having studied all of the Scriptures to know that He is God. I don’t believe that person is unsaved until having learned those things about Jesus.

For some, a good analogy for this is baptism. Some believe it really is necessary before someone can be saved, and there are Scriptures that appear to make it that important. However, there are others that really point to the fact that, important though it is, baptism is not necessary before someone can be saved. I believe it is important enough that if someone says they believe in Jesus, but refuse baptism, I wonder about the authenticity of that person’s confession. It is the first act of obedience and it declares to a watching world that your allegiance is now with Christ. Refusal to submit to this simple command casts doubt on the confession itself.

Likewise, I believe that if a person confesses belief in Jesus, but then consciously denies His nature, refusing to honor the Son just as they honor the Father by denying He is God, I doubt that person’s confession is truly born of the Spirit.

Now, my assessment here may seem to leave some gaps that a lot of apologists may be uncomfortable with. I know I am. What I’ve laid out here does exclude some non-Trinitarians from the faith, but not all. While Unitarians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Muslims, and Mormons would logically be excluded from the faith based on these criteria, it is debatable whether Oneness Pentecostals or other modalists who believe Jesus just is the Father would be so excluded. On the one hand, Oneness people do believe Jesus is fully God and fully man, even though they are wrong on other things. Indeed, their view can’t really account for John 5 above, since you can’t really say the Father judges no one and has given judgment to the Son, when they are really just the same person. On the other hand, it may be that Paul’s concern regarding the Corinthians’ willingness to put up with preaching of another Jesus applies to any aberrant view on Jesus, including believing He is the Father. It’s possible, but I don’t see that it is perfectly clear.

So that I am being clear, I believe that Oneness theology is certainly erroneous and can prove that from the Scriptures, but whether that error is so egregious as to prevent a person from being saved is not so clear. To put it in language that maps onto the Trinitarian truths I’ve talked about before, I think one must believe God is unique to be saved. I believe one must believe that the Son and Spirit are God to be saved. I believe one must believe Jesus is also human to be saved. As for the distinctness of the persons, I believe that to be the clear teaching of Scripture, but I just don’t know if we can say that a conscious modalist is truly outside the faith. I know that historically, Christians from the time of the second century have deemed this belief a heresy, but fallible people agreeing that a belief is a heresy doesn’t mean it is. I agree with them that it is wrong, but have to suspend judgment if it is truly heretical based on the Scriptures.

It would certainly be easier for me to make clear categorizations, and I may change in the future, but at this time, in answer to the question, do you have to believe in the Trinity to be saved, I would say that most of it is necessary, and possibly all, but I’m just not sure. Salvation, I believe, is a work of God in the life of the believer, and so it would seem that the Holy Spirit would guide all of His people to the truth, but I can see that not every Christian believes the same thing by the end of their life, so I have to conclude that God is not necessarily going to fix all of our theological errors before we die. If someone is truly saved, then I do believe that, given a long, normal life, God will fix anything that is necessary. When it comes down to it, I think that if someone continues holding a false theology of God after searching the Scriptures, if that person is doing so to serve one or more of many selfish motives, such as trying to keep God simple enough to explain easily or not losing connection to family or friends who still hold wrong theology. Jesus made it clear we must love Him more than anyone, and so it could even be that the theology isn’t necessarily heretical, but the reason for holding it is something that proves a person has not truly bowed the knee to Christ in full submission.

These are things in a person’s heart that we cannot see, so that is why I hesitate to ever say for sure that someone who claims to follow Christ is not saved. In some cases, I believe Scripture gives me good reason to think that, but sometimes it just isn’t as clear.

13 thoughts on “Do You Have to Believe in the Trinity to be Saved?”

    1. Where does the Bible actually say Jesus is not God incarnate? Trinitarians agree He is the Son of God, but we also read the rest of the Bible and believe that He is also God, as it says many times. Where does it actually say He isn’t God?

        1. You’re right that God does not lie. God also calls the nation of Israel and Israel’s king His Son. Jesus is the unique Son. Does it anywhere define “Son of God” as “not God”? No, again it does not. God doesn’t lie, and God doesn’t call Jesus “not God” anywhere, but does call Him God (Heb. 1:8). I’m sure you have your way around that text, but on the face of it, my theology can actually support itself with citation, while yours asks me to accept your narrow definitions of words with no Scriptural support. Which one of us is being biblical?

          1. The son himself says god is greater than him and that he can not do anything without his heavenly Father.

            You say we do have no Scriptural support. Please read in your Bible

            “30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. 31 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. 32 “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.” 34 And Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” 35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God.” (Lu 1:30-35 NAS)

            “21 ¶ Now it came about when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased.” 23 And when He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being supposedly the son of Joseph, the son of Eli,” (Lu 3:21-23 NAS)

            “41 And He withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and began to pray, 42 saying, “Father, if Thou art willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Thine be done.”” (Lu 22:41-42 NAS)

            “and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”” (Mt 3:17 NAS)

            “While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and behold, a voice out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”” (Mt 17:5 NAS)

            “but I say to you, that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”” (Mt 17:12 NAS)

            “And Jesus rebuked him, and the demon came out of him, and the boy was cured at once.” (Mt 17:18 NAS)

            “16 And Simon Peter answered and said, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” (Mt 16:16-17 NAS)

            “And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!”” (Lu 9:35 NAS)

            “”And I have seen, and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.”” (Joh 1:34 NAS)

            “17 ¶ But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working.” 18 For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. 19 Jesus therefore answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. 20 “For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself is doing; and greater works than these will He show Him, that you may marvel. 21 “For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. 22 “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, 23 in order that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear shall live. 26 “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 “Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, 29 and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. 30 “I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31 ¶ “If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true. 32 “There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true. 33 “You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. 34 “But the witness which I receive is not from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. 35 “He was the lamp that was burning and was shining and you were willing to rejoice for a while in his light. 36 “But the witness which I have is greater than that of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish, the very works that I do, bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. 37 “And the Father who sent Me, He has borne witness of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.” (Joh 5:17-37 NAS)

            “Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me; for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.” (Joh 8:42 NAS)

            “do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ’You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ’I am the Son of God’?” (Joh 10:36 NAS)

            “”Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him.” (Joh 13:16 NAS)

            “”Let not your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.” (Joh 14:1 NAS)

            “Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.” (Joh 14:6 NAS)

            “Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, ’Show us the Father’?” (Joh 14:9 NAS)

            “27 “Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives, do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful. 28 ¶ “You heard that I said to you, ’I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I. 29 “And now I have told you before it comes to pass, that when it comes to pass, you may believe. 30 “I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me; 31 but that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go from here.” (Joh 14:27-31 NAS)

            “These things Jesus spoke; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Thy Son, that the Son may glorify Thee,” (Joh 17:1 NAS)

            “”And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.” (Joh 17:3 NAS)

            “Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren, and say to them, ’I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”” (Joh 20:17 NAS)

            “29 Jesus *said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.” 30 Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.” (Joh 20:29-31 NAS)

            “yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.” (1Co 8:6 NAS)

            “But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.” (1Co 11:3 NAS)

            “And when all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, that God may be all in all.” (1Co 15:28 NAS)

            “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,” (1Pe 1:3 NAS)

            “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” which is translated, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?”” (Mr 15:34 NAS)

            “Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.” (1Jo 4:15 NAS)

            “5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time.” (1Ti 2:5-6 NAS)

            “He *said to them, “My cup you shall drink; but to sit on My right and on My left, this is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by My Father.”” (Mt 20:23 NAS)

            “5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.” (Php 2:5-7 NAS)

          2. Concerning being Biblical we noticed that in our writings we use Scripture much more than you at your site. but we did not mention here every time all Scripture saying because we thought you where aware of them.

            But pleas find above several sayings which should give you and your readers enough indication of the position of Jesus opposite God. Though we can give evenmore Bible verses and paragraphs of Scriptures which make the position of Jesus much more clear, but than we should nearly present full articles here. If you would like that we would not mind to offer such articles, with Bible text confirming what we teach.

          3. Did you seriously make the argument that “He who quotes more verses wins the argument”? Wow. That is a new winner for “Silliest Argument Ever”.

            Even on that measure, your comment only quotes 67 verses (I counted), but just one article on my site, “100 Scriptural Arguments for the Trinity” beats that, so I guess now, by your logic, I win and the Trinity is true, right?

            Also, you mentioned your site, but your “What we believe” section quotes zero Scriptures and your “About us” section only 4 verses, none of which is about Jesus or any argument against the Trinity.

            Now, as far as the passages you quoted, let me be perfectly clear. Trinitarians believe Jesus is human, because Scripture says so. When you quote passages that say He is human, you are presenting evidence for the Trinity, not against it. Those verses may disprove docetism, but Trinitarians aren’t docetists, so you’ve missed your target.

            Likewise, when you quote verses that prove Jesus is not the Father, you are presenting more evidence for the Trinity. We do believe Jesus is not the Father. They are distinct persons. Those verses may disprove modalism, but Trinitarians are not modalists, so you miss the mark again.

            Trinitarianism is Biblical because it affirms every single verse you quoted, but also every verse that calls Jesus God, affirms that He is Yahweh, calls Him the Creator, and presents Him as worshiped right alongside the Father, making no distinction in level or manner of worship.

            Unitarianism only affirms some of the Scriptures, having to find clever ways to get around the plain meaning of those texts that affirm Jesus is God in many ways, among other things. Trinitarians just believe all the Scriptures.

            To give one example, you quoted John 5:22-23, which has two things Unitarians can’t take at face value. It says that the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son. 1 Samuel 2:10 says God will Judge the whole earth. It doesn’t say he will have some created being do it for Him. Trinitarians can just take believe it because we believe Jesus is God, but you have to find some explanation why God judges the whole earth, yet the Father judges no one. Secondly, verse 23 states that the reason Jesus is Judge is so that we will honor the Son just as we honor the Father. Trinitarians just do that, because Father and Son are God, but Unitarians, no matter how high they place Jesus, cannot honor Jesus as they honor the Father because they refuse to honor Him as God.

            Unitarianism is not Biblical.

          4. You did not look at the many articles about the Trinity nor on the Name of God. And you clearly did not look at the Page Our Faith: which has several quotes form Scripture giving foundation on what we believe and which you do not seem to believe.

            The many quotes you mention to give evidence of a Trinity do not at all, but are based on your false teachings which you try to proof by twisting words of the Bible; like taking “Word” to be a person” and “a god” to be The God.

          5. so you believing Jesu sis God say God can be tempted and that man can kill God?!? You also want us to believe when Jesus does not know everything and can not be everywhere , that God is not all-knowing or omniscient and omnipresent, because Jesu sis Gdo and when you are a monotheist your sub gods have to have equal elements as the main God?! There are many groups you would call polytheist where the sub gods have more equalities with their main god than in your religion. (So why you call them polytheists?)

          6. Good to see you still engaging. I have read many articles just like yours. I grew up as a Unitarian. You falsely claim I didn’t give Scripture demonstrating the Trinity. Actually, in addition to everything else, I wrote a 12 part series outlining a very strong Biblical case for the Trinity,, and along with each argument from a particular passage, I included many more Scriptures I could have gone to but didn’t because of the limits of space. Maybe you didn’t see this and can be forgiven for that false statement.

            If you did read this, then when you say I haven’t argued for the Trinity from Scripture, you would be lying. I’m not saying you are, but you should make sure you know what you are saying before speaking out of ignorance.

            Now, I’m not sure what you think you are accomplishing by making an argument that appeals to Jesus’ humanity, like being tempted and being able to die. As I said in my last comment and many times on this blog, Trinitarians believe Jesus is human. So we have no problem at all with saying He can be tempted and He can die. This is why He became human. So you are just referring to things we agree about. You just don’t accept that He is also God, even though the Bible says He is in so many ways.

            And you are also contradicting yourself. What do you think the Word is? If it is just a plan or purpose in God’s mind, then you believe God’s purpose can die, since you believe the word became flesh. See? Your own argument defeats your own theology. We believe Jesus was both God and man, because Scripture says so. You believe He is man, but then have to figure out ways around all of the Scriptures that say He is God, and that He is Creator, and that He is worshiped just like the Father, and is honored Just as the Father (John 5:23).

            Yours is a philosophy of men. You should repent of putting human philosophy above Scripture and bow down before your god and savior Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:1).

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